Selmer Ref 54 Serial Numbers
Hello,Recently, I conversed with Randy Jones at Tenor Madness-who is a wonderful person-regarding his stock of Selmer Reference 54 alto necks. Apparently, Selmer (Paris) switched from 'Neck Make 1' to 'Neck Make 2' at some point in the making of the Reference model. 'Neck 1' is supposed to have more stable intonation and help prevent a few peculiarities that 'Neck 2' may have. The second neck is not defective; it is just different.I am ordering one of Randy's 'Neck ones' and am wondering if anyone owns one of the very early Reference 54 altos so they provide a serial number for the horns made in late 2003, 2004, and 2005. I don't know when the production went from 'Neck 1' to 'Neck 2,' but I plan on contacting Selmer and am trying to obtain a Serial number range prior to contacting them.Thanks.
Do the necks have serial numbers on them? If they don't, how will you know the difference in necks visually? How will you know what serial numbered horns they came from. Or didn't come from?Good questions, Gary-thank you! I should have mentioned that one would have to have a comparison method to determine which neck they are playing.
Neck 1 apparently has:. A slightly smaller diameter at its vertex (but noticeable to the naked eye).
A slightly thicker tenon joint (but noticeable to the naked eye). More stable intonation, which is especially apparent when playing an octave jump between C2 and C3.
More stable intonation is defined as. 54 has a serial number of 662,xxx. I do believe I have a neck 2, as all of my notes above C3 are extremely sharp on many occasions, and I do have a gurgling low C. None of these were apparent when I played with my old Vito saxophone neck.I would love to have information from Selmer on which Serial numbers have which neck. I can't visually tell if I have a neck 2 or not, but the way it plays has a lot of similarities to the description.I have had a few responses via email on this topic, and some of the players have gurgling on C1.
When I play my 10E BP Meyer I do not have this issue. I also do not have this issue with my Vandoren AL4. My C2 to C3 variance is. I bought a kookaburra, collectors series,Alto from Randy at his suggestion. He said he feels the horn is heavier than the regular Ref 54.
You would have to ask him.He had Selmer custom make a Selmer neck for these horns to his specs.I have to say i haven't experienced any gurgle, but i understand some people have.I also use a Selmer Scroll Shank LT that Ed Zentara souped up for me. It does have a longer shank. Regardless, i find the horn plays more intune than my MK VI ever did throughout the range of the horn. Mind you, this is just my personal opinion. Not knocking the Mark that sits in my closet now.
Not for sale, by the way. I bought a kookaburra collectors series alto from Randy at his suggestion. He said he feels the horn is heavier than the regular Ref 54. You would have to ask him.He had Selmer custom make a Selmer neck for these horns to his specs.I have to say, I haven't experienced any gurgle, but I understand some people have.I know of Randy's reputation, and I'm not doubting your word, but I thought it was well established that the collectors horns are exactly the same as the ordinary ones but with different engraving and on some, lacquer, and I highly doubt that Selmer Paris would custom make a neck for anyone!But as Pete Thomas says, I have my edible hat here ready in case anyone can come up with some hard evidence!
I purchased my reference alto on Dec 17, '03. I was told that it was one of the first shipment of 7 sent to the USA. The serial number is like 655,xxx. My first brand new Selmer, a low A baritone which I still own, has a serial number of 191,xxx. And I thought that number was high.So if mine is 654,xxx it seems unlikely that yours was in the first seven sent to the US.
Maybe the first seven sent to that store?No, when I bought my alto, the reference alto was not even supposed to be in the US yet, that's why I included the purchase date. A friend bought a new serie3 alto almost a year after I bought my ref. His serial was also lower than mine. Mine was a fresh one. Mine is 654,xxx.
My intonation is great but I do have the gurgling on low C if my mouthpiece is one that has to be out half way on the cork to be in tune. I have a few larger chamber pieces that I have to push way in to get in tune and the Low C doesn't gurgle at all with them. Right now I'm playing on a NY Cafe alto piece that I really like but it's out a bit farther on the cork and now the low C is doing it again. Man, if there is a better neck I would love to try it. Keep us updated.Okay, so Selmer (Paris) did indeed change the bocal design on the Reference 54 altos; they changed the angle and wall thickness of the bocal.
Randy Jones at Tenor Madness ordered several of the original necks; he is the only U.S. Distributor who stocks the original neck-they are a custom import for him. One neck is not better; they are just different. I now know I have the original neck design, as do the earliest models up to at least 659xxx, but I do not have the serial number as to when the change occurred. I am still working on this.I was again told that the original necks have a smaller diameter at the vertex and a thicker wall, but I have been unable to quantify the distinction (which I need/want to do). The original necks would generally offer a more focused/centered sound with less pitch variance while the newer necks add more flexibility to the sound (spread). Kessler Music stocks the Reference alto necks as well as the tenors.
They are not exclusive to Tenor Madness.If you want to know how to tell the two necks apart, get yourself a set of dial calipers and measure the inner diameter of the tip opening of the neck from top to bottom and then from side to side. You will find that the older necks are more perfectly round than the newer necks.
The older necks typically measure approximately 0.498 from top to bottom and from side to side. The two measurements may differ slightly, by.001 or.002. Basically, the tip opening is pretty darn close to being perfectly round.The newer necks typically measure 0.498 from top to bottom but measure approximately 0.510 from side to side.
Hence, the newer necks are more of an oval shape. It's really difficult to see just by looking at the tip opening which is why you really need a set of dial calipers.
Kessler Music stocks the Reference alto necks as well as the tenors. They are not exclusive to Tenor Madness.If you want to know how to tell the two necks apart, get yourself a set of dial calipers and measure the inner diameter of the tip opening of the neck from top to bottom and then from side to side. You will find that the older necks are more perfectly round than the newer necks. The older necks typically measure approximately 0.498 from top to bottom and from side to side. The two measurements may differ slightly, by.001 or.002. Basically, the tip opening is pretty darn close to being perfectly round.The newer necks typically measure 0.498 from top to bottom but measure approximately 0.510 from side to side.
Hence, the newer necks are more of an oval shape. It's really difficult to see just by looking at the tip opening which is why you really need a set of dial calipers.Thank you! This is the information I have been seeking-now I just have to play the newer neck to confirm the distinctions I have heard.
Selmer Reference 54 Serial Number Question※ Download:Selmer (Paris) Reference 54 Alto Saxophone, Saxophones: Pro WindsComplete with shaped flight case, Selmer Paris Super Session mouthpiece, cap and ligature, and care products. This has implications for the feel of the action. I played them, by switching the necks, and there is a real noticeable difference in the sound. Some may have not liked its rounded tone, others might not have liked the variable tone across the range, but there was no doubting its lyrical quality. The problem with this horn was a wobbly crook. Download links are valid only for a certain number of days and have a limit on number of downloads - please contact us with your order number and date of purchase to reset it.74: ConnGreiffenhagen for the time being. Not sure exactly what they changed in the third version but I notice some slight variations to the octave key.
Again, they probably meant to do that. Kini Windows 7 anda sudah genuine selamanya dan bisa update tanpa terdeteksi blacklist sama Microsoft. I thought maybe it was the blue key touches. See how high it is on the Selmer.
The Reference plays and feels like a vintage Selmer, including longer bell to improve intonation and a dark, warm lacquer finish.Selmer Serial Numbers? So my question is what's in the pix that I should notice?
We are unable to give exact delivery times, but generally packages to Europe can take 2 - 7 days, outside Europe 4 - 14 days. Pavan By recommendation of a professor, I e-mail M. Glad you've found a good neck. By 1900 Selmer was also manufacturing Alto Clarinets, Bass Clarinets, Flutes, Oboes, and English Horns. It was simple enough to shim the key feet to knock the key heights down just a fraction - but it's a great deal harder to get that classic 'snap' into the action. The plastic resonator pads are in good condition.Selmer Reference 54 Serial Number QuestionProducts in stock We usually post within 3 days of receiving an order. Was wondering if anyone knew where I could find more information, been searching and had no luck so far.
With some bending and tweaking I made it more of a workable mechanism, but it still wasn't good enough to work reliably when rolling up the forefinger. Although, with the 2nd generation neck I don't remember having any gurgle with a bunch of mouthpieces I tried.
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While Selmer Paris has kept the design of the neck tube itself the same since the Reference 54 alto release in 2003, there have been now 2 significant changes to the design of the neck overall that affect the performance. This isn't necessarily a good thing, as many of the problems I point up will have a bearing on a horn's reliability and playability - but when the client actually points out a fault you can bet your last good solo that it's a pretty serious problem. Got it today in the mail, played the old one first for reference, then put it on.Reference 54 AltoThe Flamingo series came next in 2007. Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. They went from using a gauge of.
The action, as factory set, was rather high - and very stiff. The limited Reference 54 alto sax came in the dark Reference lacquer, with black pearls, and was available with or without high F.
They all come from China and, luckily, the overwhelming majority are always rather obvious the problem is that those which are not, if there are any, are not recognized as such! I coulda swore I typed tenoN I don't know what you're talking about! And it's likely that the copies will continue to get better in the future, so beware! There are also differences in the keywork such as adjustment screws in the side keys and also as described to me by the tech where I had it setup a couple of days ago places where they'd used plastic in stead of cork. In most countries is illegal to own and sell a counterfeited item and if customs get any chance to do this they will confiscate a horn like that even if it has been in your possession for years.Selmer Paris Professional ShopIn 2006 they revised the neck-as per Kessler Music. Since the outer diameter of the neck stayed the same, this switch actually increased the bore through the tenon of the neck. Su podium v2 serial number free download for windows 7. The sole tenor in the lineup was a limited edition Reference 54, also in honey gold lacquer and black pearls, with no high F.
Within each series, there was a 'standard' model and a 'limited edition' model, with the limited often having more detailed engraving, and unique included accessories, and sometimes a special case as well. We're talkin' 'bout the wall thickness of the pipe. For the first time, the standard series was truly standard, with no set limit on production, and more models were available. What seems to happen though is that the spring sometimes distorts and rubs against the key barrel and what you get is a nasty little grating sound from the key.Selmer Reference 54 Alto FAKE!!!!In fact, the longer that the horns have sat in a storage facility or on a shops shelves, the more out of adjustment they typically are. Two reasons: You can't sand the stuff down to make subtle but crucial adjustments to the action and there are no nice screw adjusters on this bar, and there's give in the stuff.
It plays, feels, and looks like a vintage Selmer, but includes a longer bell to improve intonation, and a dark lacquer finish. Editions could be floating around Craigslist in San Diego? Your bank, credit card company or Paypal take care of the actual conversion, so you can pay with your normal account in your own currency. My horn is an earlier one and since it was made there have been a couple iterations of the neck, the first changing the inside diameter.Selmer (Paris) Reference 54 Alto Saxophone, Saxophones: Pro WindsHenri Selmer, Paris Description: Acoustics, ergonomic features and aesthetics recall the spirit of this famous model: - rich, round tone colour, very centered blowing and exceptional tuning balance, - compact and precise keywork, comfortable handling, - a specific finish with a fine engraving and dark lacquer. He said to look at the pix and see what looks fishy. I think I was even a bit cross about it. It fixed the gurgle on my reference.
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He told me the same thing that he bought it from Ebay but did not give me a reason why he is selling? I'm sure it will ease off in time and perhaps with enough degreasing, but it's been a while since I've seen a new horn with pads this sticky.